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Just the facts on varicose veins

Last post 09-16-2009 2:28 PM by marlenecpm. 6 replies.
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  • 08-13-2009 6:04 PM

    • RobsGirl
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    Just the facts on varicose veins

    I'm trying to get an unbiased grasp for the implications of varicose veins.  When I go on vein specialist websites, they seem to indicate that varicose veins can be a progressively worsening and dangerous health issue.  But of course they would say that, because they want you to think you NEED the procedure.  They're getting paid well to fix people's unsightly veins.  They even go so far as to say, depending on the situation, it may be advisible to have the veins fixed before a woman is finished having children.  The devil's advocate in me says, "Of course, they want to get paid twice!!"

    Then there are those stories of women who have been told byt their OBs that they ought to stop having babies because of them, but they go on to have their 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th babies in defiance of that.

    These are the things I know:

    1)  They're ugly

    2)  They're uncomfortable

    3)  They can get worse over time, especially with pregnancy

    But what I want to know is:

    1)  Are they mostly cosmetic 

    2) or are they a real health issue

    I know all the tricks to try to help varicose veins.  I employ some of them, but the one that seems to help with the discomfort the most are support stockings.  They're hot and uncomfortable in the summer, but they do help with the aching, itching and heavy feeling.  Tinctures, vitamins and homeopathic remedies don't touch them, so I've given up on those.  They're just too far gone to be helped by those little bandaids.  They seem to be creeping into my vuvla and seat somewhat too.  I'm wondering if I have them internally in my pelvic veins as well.  So yeah, they're pretty bad, I guess, though I've never had a doctor look at them, so its hard to say. Of course they're worse because I'm pregnant.  I take aspirin for other reasons, so I'm not worried about them clotting, and I'm definitely not sedentary, so there are not a lot of lifestyle things I need to change.  Like I said, I know all the tricks.  I'm not asking about that.

    What I'd really like to know are the facts about them.   So are they really a risk, especially with continuing to have babies?  Or are they really just a nuisance?  Is it more a discomfort than a health issue?  Is getting them fixed between pregnancies for the sake of comfort something to consider or is it just a moneymaking ploy on the part of the specialists? 

    If anyone has any solid info for me on this, it would be great.  Thanks.

    RobsGirl, 31
    Wife of one fabulous guy (34)
    Mommy of 3 awesome boys, ages 11, 8, and 4, and a precious 2 year old daughter.


  • 08-14-2009 1:19 AM In reply to

    Re: Just the facts on varicose veins

    Not very solid, but as far as i knew (my mother had varicose veins in her calves after her 6 kids) they are mainly a cosmetic concern.  They only operate on the NHS (normally a decent-ish benchmark of when things are a true medical problem as opposed to a think they can be paid for fixing even if it didn't really need it) if the veins are causing a lot of pain and discomfort AND are causing things like ulcers or patches of discolouration in the surrounding skin.  If they're just unsightly but not causing massive troubles they tend to ignore them.

    Me 32, DH 41, DD 2006, DD 2010, DS 2013
  • 08-18-2009 10:12 PM In reply to

    Re: Just the facts on varicose veins

    The danger, would be vv in the vagina, which might rupture during birth, causing pph that herbs wouldn't touch. They would need direct presure on them, to minimize blood loss, until dr. is repairing it. In the legs, it is just cosmetic. If I have a client with vv, I recommend 1 oz of noni juice daily, then delivery on her side with worse vv on topside, with minimal pushing efforts, just slow and easy. Also Witch Hazel or Arnica compresses on them when pushing and after birth.   

  • 08-19-2009 4:43 AM In reply to

    • RobsGirl
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    Re: Just the facts on varicose veins

    What about waterbirth?  And how often do you see these actually rupture?

    I had a bit of a vulvar varicosity last time and it seems a bit worse this time.  Did have a PPH, but I think it was entirely uterine.

    Thanks for the suggestions.  :-)

     

    RobsGirl, 31
    Wife of one fabulous guy (34)
    Mommy of 3 awesome boys, ages 11, 8, and 4, and a precious 2 year old daughter.


  • 08-22-2009 8:39 PM In reply to

    Re: Just the facts on varicose veins

    My preceptor told me she had to suture a vulval varicosity that burst during a birth, so that is a concern.  She told me that if the varicose veins appear above the pelvis that she immediately refers out because it can be a sign of a heart condition.  Herbal supplements and support stockings that are put on before getting out of the bed are the things our moms report helping the most... and putting feet up regularly!

    I am a CPM in solo home birth practice
  • 08-29-2009 9:41 PM In reply to

    Re: Just the facts on varicose veins

     Vericose veins put you at risk for blood clots durring preg and in the post partum period.   The ones in the pelvis particulary can PPH quickly and are painful.  stocking don't  help alot with them.  I wouldn't think it would be helpful to have surgery until done with babies.   So depending how you look at it,vv can be ok or not so ok.  I would not rate them as cosmetic only

    claudia

    Women and cats will do as they please and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. - Robert A Heinlein
  • 09-16-2009 2:28 PM In reply to

    Re: Just the facts on varicose veins

     Noni juice is the only measure I've seen which actually improves vv during preg. other measures, such as support hose and other herbs only help them from getting a lot worse during preg.

    There is a risk of rupture of vaginal vv during pushing, but I've never seen it actually happen, thank goodness! A natural, slow, side lying birth is the best delivery method. Seems like waterbirth would be preventative too, but I don't have enough info on that to say for sure. What I do know is, IF a vein DID rupture in water, it would bleed more, be harder to estimate EBL, & harder to control the bleed. I would hate for a mom to faint from blood loss in the tub! that would be awful!  

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